Author Topic: michael jackson...... (Read 11571 times)

« **Reply #45 on:** June 18, 2005, 12:28:28 pm »

Golden Cup, I am sure of my facts, I have researched it thoroughly. The law on consent in UK is very complicated with minor differences between England/Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland. "Anyone trying to have sexual contact (including touching) with anyone under the age of 13 is committing an absolute offense and can be served with life in prison". This the legal definition of paedophilia. After that it becomes a little grey.

"It is an offense for a male over the age of 10 to have sex with a girl between the age of 13 and 15 unless he can validly argue, he thought she was 16." Bounty comments - Plausible at 15, less so at 13.

"A girl having sex under the age of 16 is not committing an offense."

There is no legislation currently covering sex between a boy under 16 and a girl/woman over 16, however in some circumstances the woman can be charged with indecent assault. For example a 40 year old teacher and a pupil. If the girl is 16 and the boy is 15, prosecution is unlikely, particularly if it is consensual and a relationship.

« **Reply #46 on:** June 18, 2005, 12:50:19 pm »

"It is an offense for a male over the age of 10 to have sex with a girl between the age of 13 and 15 unless he can validly argue, he thought she was 16."

Actually, I didn't mean that - It's still an offense but genuinely believing they're 16 might be a defense.

lemoneye · « **Reply #47 on:** June 18, 2005, 01:02:04 pm »

You only need to worry about defence if you get caught or grassed up....

goldencup · « **Reply #48 on:** June 18, 2005, 02:10:14 pm »

Bounty we could go on for some time arguing about this but I'm only quoting what I'm finding on the internet. Here's another one:

What is the age of consent?

The age of consent is the age at which the law says you are old enough to make your own decision about whether to have sex or not. Before you reach this age you cant legally have sex with anyone, however old they are.

In the UK the law says that both partners must be sixteen or over. This applies whether you're hetrosexual, gay or lesbian.

Having worked for the Police myself, I know they do apply a limited amount of common sense when actually enforcing this law and as Lemoneye says, probably not many of us are entirely innocent in this area! I remember a straw poll of my friends a while ago revealed that not all of us waited until 16.....

lemoneye · « **Reply #49 on:** June 18, 2005, 02:18:35 pm »

It is a law that does need a touch of common sense applied to it - but i think is also there to hammer the real baddies who target kiddies

« **Reply #50 on:** June 18, 2005, 04:19:33 pm »

I still think 16 is about right and the age of both partners needs to be taken into account when considering the law. I don't think the law on paedophilia is nearly harsh enough and should command a sentence of natural life once you have fiddled with very young children. I don't think someone who wants to have sex with say, an eight year old, can EVER be allowed at large in the community.

lemoneye · « **Reply #51 on:** June 18, 2005, 04:37:13 pm »

Agreed.

goldencup · « **Reply #52 on:** June 18, 2005, 06:04:50 pm »

And me. It's a miracle!

lemoneye · « **Reply #53 on:** June 18, 2005, 06:09:59 pm »

Record this moment somehow - it may never happen again!!

goldencup · « **Reply #54 on:** June 18, 2005, 06:11:08 pm »

salsa · « **Reply #55 on:** June 18, 2005, 06:21:17 pm »

Quote from: bounty hunter

I still think 16 is about right and the age of both partners needs to be taken into account when considering the law. I don't think the law on paedophilia is nearly harsh enough and should command a sentence of natural life once you have fiddled with very young children. I don't think someone who wants to have sex with say, an eight year old, can EVER be allowed at large in the community.

I agree, but what about a 9 year old? unfortunately this will always be a grey area.

Personally if I had any faith in the justice system I would be happy for us to go back to the death sentance, but alas, we get it wrong too often to do that.

oldspice · « **Reply #56 on:** June 18, 2005, 07:27:23 pm »

Part of my job requires me by law to undergo child protection training. I also have to have an extended police check. I can definitely state that the age of consent is 16 and it is illegal for anyone under that age to have sexual intercourse. Whether or not it is difficult to prove, or the partners consented or they looked older, it is still illegal.

You are right that areas of the law are grey, but the age of censent is quite clear.

loulou · « **Reply #57 on:** June 18, 2005, 09:05:47 pm »

bounty you say you have researched it thoroughly. why?

« **Reply #58 on:** June 19, 2005, 09:20:40 am »

Quote from: salsa

Quote from: bounty hunter

I still think 16 is about right and the age of both partners needs to be taken .....

I agree, but what about a 9 year old? unfortunately this will always be a grey area.

Personally if I had any faith in the justice system I would be happy for us to go back to the death sentance, but alas, we get it wrong too often to do that.

Nine! A grey area, are you for real???

« **Reply #59 on:** June 19, 2005, 09:24:27 am »

Quote from: oldspice

Part of my job requires me by law to undergo child protection training. I also have to have an extended police check. I can definitely state that the age of consent is 16 and it is illegal for anyone under that age to have sexual intercourse. Whether or not it is difficult to prove, or the partners consented or they looked older, it is still illegal.

You are right that areas of the law are grey, but the age of censent is quite clear.

Again, a somewhat vague and misleading set of statements. However what you say is more or less correct.

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