Post by: smurfboy on April 08, 2008, 03:19:39 pm
What are your thoughts on this? Ever since the child was found but not immediately returned to the parents I've been suspicious.
Post by: goldencup on April 08, 2008, 03:20:26 pm
Post by: smurfboy on April 08, 2008, 03:25:18 pm
Post by: goldencup on April 08, 2008, 03:28:07 pm
Post by: Cherry_Ripe on April 08, 2008, 03:54:04 pm
Admittedly at the time I thought the mother's appeals seemed quite genuine - her face looked like she hadn't slept for days. I was surprised when this alleged plot emerged.
Post by: loulou on April 08, 2008, 11:43:39 pm
Karen Matthews should have all her children taken away and all her benefits stopped after wasting police time.
Post by: on April 09, 2008, 08:29:52 am
Post by: loulou on April 09, 2008, 10:21:37 pm
Post by: oldspice on April 10, 2008, 07:56:08 am
Quote from: goldencup
And they kept trying to compare their situation with the McCanns where really there were very few comparisons.
That is the one thing in that programme that got my alarm bells ringing. The mother seemed to be saying "My little girl's gone missing just like theirs but I haven't got loads of money like they have so I'm worse off but they got a fund set up and loads of money to help with the search"
I didn't like the way she seemed to be resentful towards the McCanns. It was almost as if she was trying to manipulate the public and imply that because they are poor, no one will give them any money.
If you say you had suspicions about the case in the early days, some people automatically jump on you and accuse you of 'poor-baiting' and making assumptions about them because of their status.
I feel sorry for the kids. I feel sorry for all kids that have to be dragged from pillar to post whilst one or other of their parents make their way through half a dozen relationships of complicated proportions, adding a few more kids along the way and picking up step children here and there.
I am totally sick of these chain-smoking, inarticulate, base-ball-cap-wearing, job-shunning, disability-inventing baby machines who are the plague of our modern society and who are responsible for almost turning me into a card-holding member of the Tory Party.
I'm sorry, but now I've said it. And I sincerely hope that I have not stereotyped and branded a whole generation of innocent people - but somehow I doubt it.
Post by: goldencup on April 10, 2008, 10:09:22 am
I agree with every word, except one - the 'almost'.
Post by: on April 10, 2008, 06:57:36 pm
Quote from: oldspice
disability-inventing baby machines ....She may be but I'd guess her "partners" are all registered blind.She has marks all over her body from people who wouldn't touch her with a fifty foot pole. (It was someone else who used the stick, obviously).
Post by: smurfboy on April 11, 2008, 03:04:16 pm
Funny, I heard not leaving a 3 year-old child alone in a foreign country was pretty effective at preventing abductions in the first place.
Post by: loulou on April 11, 2008, 08:15:02 pm
Post by: oldspice on April 11, 2008, 08:18:13 pm
Quote from: smurfboy
I see the McCanns have been to Brussels to discuss the introduction of a national Missing Child Alert system. They claim a similar scheme has been a success in the US.
Funny, I heard not leaving a 3 year-old child alone in a foreign country was pretty effective at preventing abductions in the first place.
Precisely Smurfy.
Post by: loulou on April 11, 2008, 08:22:02 pm
Post by: smurfboy on April 13, 2008, 01:31:57 pm
Post by: loulou on April 13, 2008, 06:30:32 pm
I just know someone is going to call me cruel now.
Post by: on April 13, 2008, 07:44:37 pm
Post by: loulou on April 13, 2008, 08:00:18 pm
Post by: on April 13, 2008, 08:03:09 pm
I do not have any reason to think anything other than the fact that her parents were very wrong to leave her without any supervision.
Post by: loulou on April 13, 2008, 10:16:40 pm
Post by: lorri on April 15, 2008, 12:00:12 am
Post by: smurfboy on April 15, 2008, 02:59:13 pm
Post by: MayRae on April 16, 2008, 03:39:25 am
They didn't want to be charged with this crime, especially not on foreign soil, so they threw her body in the ocean and claimed she'd been kidnapped.
I really believe the parents know exactly what happened to this poor little girl.
And don't even get me started on them using money from the 'find Madeleine' fund to pay off their mortgage!
Post by: oldspice on April 16, 2008, 07:45:02 am
Post by: goldencup on April 16, 2008, 09:24:10 am
I would never even have left mine with a babysitter they did not know and couldn't understand how people used those babysitting circles. How horrible for small children to wake up in the night and find a stranger there. But I suppose better that than nobody at all. I agree with Oldspice's theory of what happened to Madeleine but we will probably never know for sure. I certainly don't believe she is still alive.
Post by: on April 16, 2008, 09:14:34 pm
Quote from: oldspice
I think they were very, very wrong to leave their children alone but I do not believe they covered up her death or that they killed her. I think she may have left the appartment to look for her parents (maybe her siblings were crying) and was abucted as she wandered about or that she was snatched from the appartment.
I would have to agree.
What is offensive to me is for people to come up with or believe any of the rubbish that the gutter press are inclined to print.
Post by: smurfboy on April 17, 2008, 02:48:53 pm
Post by: on April 17, 2008, 06:27:40 pm
Post by: loulou on April 17, 2008, 11:57:21 pm
My opinions come from my head.Post by: smurfboy on April 18, 2008, 02:54:58 pm
Quote from: paulham
How you form an opinion is very important.
I'm sure there are people who think 'well it said so in The Sun so it must be true', which I agree isn't the best way to form an opinion. But unless a person happened to be there at the time of either of the incidents we've been discussing in this thread, and was subsequently given full access to the police investigation, the information released through the press is invariably going to have an effect on their opinion. People are entitled to speculate and form their own theories and unless some pretty compelling evidence to the contrary comes to light, you can't tell them they're wrong.
Post by: loulou on April 18, 2008, 06:18:55 pm
I know some people like to only think nice thoughts and cannot face up to reality but I am telling you Kate McCann will be involved in that little girls disappearance.
Post by: on April 18, 2008, 07:11:54 pm
Quote from: smurfboy
But unless a person happened to be there at the time of either of the incidents we've been discussing in this thread, and was subsequently given full access to the police investigation.... People are entitled to speculate and form their own theories and unless some pretty compelling evidence to the contrary comes to light, you can't tell them they're wrong.
There in lies the nub of the problem for me. Everyone loves to speculate and I think that you have to be sure of your facts before committing to a statement such as Lou's.
If you tend to think the worse of everyone then what is it saying about you? (Not you, personally, NAC 
)
)Post by: loulou on April 18, 2008, 08:00:20 pm
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Post by: oldspice on April 19, 2008, 01:36:10 pm
Quote from: loulou
I don't think the worst of everyone just women who when they think their child has been snatched go around shedding no tears with their make up immaculate and all their jewellery on. Please be honest here, how many women do you know who would have the interest or energy to put a full face of makeup on , do their hair and don jewellery when their child has just gone missing?
Yes, but then again lou, Shannon Matthew's mother appeared on TV blubbing, apparently heart-broken, with a un-made-up-face and unkempt hair - and it seems that it was all an act. So, you never can tell.
Post by: naxos on April 19, 2008, 06:54:37 pm
Post by: loulou on April 19, 2008, 10:34:00 pm
That's too funny. She looks the type who only bathes once in a blue moon.
Post by: smurfboy on April 20, 2008, 02:05:38 pm
Quote from: paulham
She may well be callous and cold hearted, as it appears to some, but does that make her responsible for the abduction?
No, it's leaving the child alone that makes her responsible.
Post by: loulou on April 20, 2008, 02:14:20 pm
Post by: on April 20, 2008, 03:39:46 pm
The person who took her is repsonsible for that.
Neglect is a charge that could be levelled at the parents.
Post by: loulou on April 20, 2008, 05:35:57 pm
Let's take a vote. Who thinks it is ok leave their children alone in a foreign country?
Post by: naxos on April 20, 2008, 08:43:41 pm
Post by: oldspice on April 20, 2008, 08:46:10 pm
I don't think it's helpful to compare these cases at all. The only link is that the McCann case may have inspired the Shannon Matthews hoax.
My take is that the McCanns should never have left their children alone and now they are paying the ultimate price - which in my view is punishment enough (but not much consolation to poor Maddie)
The Matthews crew seem to be a bunch of hopelessly sad and irresponsible individuals who on the face of it seem to be the architects of their own misfortune but in reality are probably the inevitable fall-out of Thatcher's policies in the north of England nearly thirty years on.
Post by: smurfboy on April 21, 2008, 03:26:54 pm
'Your sister is your mother, your father is your brother, they all sh*g one another, it's Shannon's fam-ily...'
Post by: goldencup on April 21, 2008, 07:53:02 pm
Post by: loulou on April 21, 2008, 11:13:58 pm