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Title: Chavs and Neds
Post by: on February 16, 2005, 08:10:43 pm

I don't think these are the same thing.  There is some that say that a ned is just a chav in Scotland or Newcastle.  However, I think Chavs are slightly higher up the social scale than Neds.


A Chav tends to have their mobile phone around their neck, Birberry baseball cap and white trainers.  Some have quite a lot of cheap jewellery.  The girls often have a baby in a pushchair and wear a pony tail at one side of the head.


A Ned can be told by the baseball cap being worn at a strange upturned andgle and they often have an anorak with the hood over the cap.  Some of them tuck their tracksuit bottoms in to their socks.  Female Neds are rare, but may be surprisingly pretty.


There is a little overlap in the subcultures but I think Chavs are an offshoot of the Hiphop culture whereas Neds are more simply a product of those which the Blair ideal has failed to embrace and have grown out of the council estate sink culture.


This is a very simplified analysis.  Anyone care to comment?

Title: Chavs and Neds
Post by: loulou on February 16, 2005, 08:54:02 pm
no
Title: Chavs and Neds
Post by: salsa on February 16, 2005, 09:39:38 pm
I think they are best ignored.
Title: Chavs and Neds
Post by: oldspice on February 17, 2005, 07:08:42 am

Why bring sinks into it? Do they do a bit of tap dancing on the side?


Many very respectable and clever people have come from council estates. Dudley Moore and the historian Peter Ackroyd for a start.

Title: Chavs and Neds
Post by: on February 17, 2005, 07:51:48 am

And me....


Sink estate is a well known sociological expression.

Title: Chavs and Neds
Post by: chocolate chick on February 17, 2005, 09:13:46 am
And me....New Cross
Title: Chavs and Neds
Post by: salsa on February 17, 2005, 09:19:28 am
tbh I dont think they have to come from a council estate, just they are typical white trash.
Title: Chavs and Neds
Post by: salsa on February 17, 2005, 09:19:56 am

Sorry, that might be misinterpreted.


I think chavs and neds are poor white trash, not everyone from a council estate.

Title: Chavs and Neds
Post by: smurfboy on February 17, 2005, 10:52:11 am
What is the difference between a chav and a pikey? Is it that chavs aspire to be rich (buying lots of cheap gold and fake Burberry) while pikeys don't care?
Title: Chavs and Neds
Post by: salsa on February 17, 2005, 11:03:57 am
I think they are the same thing, just different name for different areas of the country.
Title: Chavs and Neds
Post by: oldspice on February 17, 2005, 04:47:09 pm

I think chavs and such like are sadly victims of a society that promotes image above intellect and the parading of wealth and possessions above humanity. They, more than most, feel the pressure to express their identity and status through tasteless adornment of hideous clothes and jewellery. Their historical precendents are the Mods and before that the dandy boys of the regency period.

Title: Chavs and Neds
Post by: salsa on February 17, 2005, 05:20:21 pm
If one of my children came home with one of those clown necklaces I would have them drowned.
Title: Chavs and Neds
Post by: Christine on February 17, 2005, 11:25:04 pm
I'm from near newcastle, but I can't say I've ever heard the term 'Neds'. I know the type of people you mean though. Around here they're just all known as chavs, or 'charvas' is more common. I'm only 16, so I have to see them quite a lot, and especially had a lot of bad experiences of them when i was still @ school. I hate charvas. And they hate me, lol. In general, they're narrow-minded, cheap and tasteless. They always have a leader who they all suck up to and follow like sheep, but usually secretly hate but are too scared and brainwashed to admit it. Also, they always seem to bitch about their own friends, which shows just how two-faced they are. grrrrrrrrrrrrrr. They need to get a life ffs.
Title: Chavs and Neds
Post by: Christine on February 18, 2005, 12:04:25 am

some popular charva sayings for skitting 'goths':


'have ya goth the time hew? av forgoth me watch.'


'hew! vincent van goth'


'dya drink gothy in tha mornin hew?'


'are you a goth hew? wots it like bein a goth hew? hew, what did ya choose to be a goth for like?'


(all are generally asked in a high-pitched voice, and come from groups of chavs standing at bus stands or behind the infamous 'smoker's wall'. and they're usually followed by hysterical laughter)


...hilarious...

Title: Chavs and Neds
Post by: salsa on February 18, 2005, 01:50:24 am
My cousin who is 13 thinks being a goth means wearing black trousers everyday.
Title: Chavs and Neds
Post by: smurfboy on February 18, 2005, 09:51:05 am
I know what that's like Christine. I used to live on a council estate and because I have long hair, the unemployed/expelled/truanting teens thought it was hilarious to shout 'Jesus!' at me. I lived there for four years and they were still doing it! That's how dull their lives were - that's the best way to look at it.
Title: Chavs and Neds
Post by: goldencup on February 18, 2005, 10:46:14 am

My son and his mates (they're around 16) all have long hair and some would say are scruffy but they're all really nice guys.  The chavs with their short hair and relatively smart sportswear are the ones that cause all the trouble in town.  Strange but true.

Title: Chavs and Neds
Post by: salsa on February 18, 2005, 04:55:51 pm
I do agree. Like with football fans. The ones to avoid are the ones who are wearing paul and shark/armani/stone island not the average scarfer.
Title: Chavs and Neds
Post by: on February 18, 2005, 07:35:52 pm

I think the Chavs/Neds/Pikeys etc can be traced back to the late 1980's.  They are the offspring of those that were in their formative years during the Thatcher era.  The Chavs parents were probably about 13 in 1982, meaning that the Chavs were born in about 1987, making the bulk of them about 18 now, which I would say on average is about right.


It was during Thatcherism that the community ideals, which were the cornerstone of 1970's life were eroded.  The reasons for this are complex, but it led to a chaotic fragmentation of society, leaving many people unable to embrace what I would call old fashioned values.  Major's government, while different in tone to Thatcher's did nothing to address this lost generation and by the time Blair took power it was too late anyway.  Had Blair followed a radical Social Democratic philosophy, which the country needed it might have at least redressed some of the problems fostered in the previous 15 years.


I would like to see the following radical policies adopted by the next government:


1. Anyone caught drinking and driving should receive an instant life driving ban. No warning. Finished.


2.  The worst antisocial behaviour, i.e. twocking, arson, serious vandalism etc. Should be punished by an hour in the stocks, where the populace can throw rotten vegetables etc.  This has the advantage over custodial sentences and the birch, as it is humiliating without being barbaric and would not make confer upon the culprits 'hero status'.


3. All children should receive a lesson in 'human diversity' from the age of ten to dispel the myth of race.


4.  Chocolate would be free.


This has been a party political broadcast by the Bounty Party.


Cue... 'Jerusalem'

Title: Chavs and Neds
Post by: madeyes on February 18, 2005, 08:05:44 pm

I love the idea of the stocks!


Yes to drink and drugs driving bans!


Free chocolate sounds good too!


Human diversity needs to be taught by everyone to everyone.

Title: Chavs and Neds
Post by: on February 18, 2005, 08:11:54 pm
Title: Chavs and Neds
Post by: on February 18, 2005, 08:58:56 pm

Quote from: bounty hunter
Anyone caught drinking and driving should receive an instant life driving ban. No warning. Finished.


They will reoffend with little to lose. Cut their hands off.

Title: Chavs and Neds
Post by: goldencup on February 18, 2005, 10:27:12 pm

You have a lot in common with my mother Bounty - she's always on about bringing back the stocks.  I suppose it would be somewhere different to go on a weekend!

Title: Chavs and Neds
Post by: salsa on February 19, 2005, 12:06:33 am
Chicken stock?
Title: Chavs and Neds
Post by: loulou on February 19, 2005, 01:06:39 am
Quote from: paulham

] They will reoffend with little to lose. Cut their hands off.



yes and tattoo drink driver on their forehead. I think people who thieve should have their hands cut off and have thief tattooed on their forehead.


Rapists should have their c**k cut off.

Title: Chavs and Neds
Post by: on February 19, 2005, 07:11:34 am
Rapists are scum.

People who sexually abuse children should be made to watch every episode of El Dorado and then have their c**ks cut off.
Title: Chavs and Neds
Post by: oldspice on February 19, 2005, 08:45:37 am

Bloody hell. And i thought I was depressed!


Anti social behaviour is, indeed, a complex issue. My work brings me into contact with many "chav" types and I feel strongly that in their case the poor behaviour interlocks totally with the image they strive to create. For example, the hooded top worn with hood up over a baseball cap is a direct challenge to authority when worn in class (which I do not allow). Like the skinheads before them, the "uniform" trys to send a message to society which says "we are outside your rules and values. We do what we want". This is obviously because they FEEL alienated.

Title: Chavs and Neds
Post by: salsa on February 19, 2005, 10:21:31 am

I very much agree with that, and I think society as a group has alot of blame at its feet for many things which have happened. But, once children become adults they become responsible for their own behaviour.