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speaking to the kids the other day, i was horrified to find out that at school they alternate singing 'Baa Baa Black Sheep' with 'Baa Baa White Sheep'. apparently the teacher is very strict on not singing one more than the other.
is this the 'racism police' gone mad, or does anyone here think this is a good idea?
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I think it's ridiculous. How can anyone find any possible racist connotations in a simple nursery rhyme?
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I am very offended by the saying white sheep.
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It gets worse - I do the action rhyme session with toddlers and we actually have to do "Baa Baa Rainbow Sheep". This is totally ridiculous in my opinion - white sheep and black sheep exist but has anyone ever seen a rainbow sheep? (when they are sober I mean).
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another one that gets me is the changes they've made to 'head shoulders, knees and toes'. the lyrics used to go:
head shoulders, knees and toes
(knees and toes)
head shoulders, knees and toes
(knees and toes)
and eyes and ears and mouth and nose
head shoulders, knees and toes
(knees and toes)
it now goes:
head shoulders, knees and toes
(knees and toes)
head shoulders, knees and toes
(knees and toes)
and turn around and jump up in the air
head shoulders, knees and toes
(knees and toes)
this is probably because some dopey kid somewhere put his hands over his eyes too fast and poked himself in the eye, slapped himself over the ears too hard and caused him to go deaf, bashed himself in the mouth too hard, and then broke his nose.
it's madness!
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Moron!
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If you think about it, the black sheep of ba ba black sheep fame is a very positive role model. He was obviously hard working and industrious. When asked if he had any wool, he answered, "Yes, three bags full". Not only that, he practised being charitable because he gave it all away!
Having said that, maybe we have to conclude he was enslaved.
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They will be making you have black and white Father Christmas this year, they already do this in Jamaica.
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before daniel craig took the role, they were considering a black James Bond.
is it racist to say that mr. bond always has and always should be (simply for the sake of logic) white?
wjp6662007-06-21 14:42:58
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One school in South Wales banned Postman Pat books because being employed it was thought he might be construed as elitism. I kid you not.
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We still do the original version of 'Heads, Shoulders....' and nobody has poked their eyes out - yet. But we're not allowed to do 'Teddy bear, Teddy bear' because it mentions saying his prayers.
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It gets worse - I do the action rhyme session with toddlers and we actually have to do "Baa Baa Rainbow Sheep". This is totally ridiculous in my opinion - white sheep and black sheep exist but has anyone ever seen a rainbow sheep? (when they are sober I mean).
Well duh - how do you think they knit stripey jumpers?
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One school in South Wales banned Postman Pat books because being employed it was thought he might be construed as elitism. I kid you not.
Is his black and white cat now a bi-racial cat?
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One school in South Wales banned Postman Pat books because being employed it was thought he might be construed as elitism. I kid you not.
Postman Pat is on strike next Friday.
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Elitism. Having a job isn't elitism.
It's what normal people do, work for a living.
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flicking through the kids big book of fairy tales, i was horrified by some of the changes. the giant in jack and the beanstal had his little rhyme changed, AND he didn't die at the end. the billy goats gruff weren't so violent to the nasty troll. and the deer's heart extraction from snow white was removed. it's all so very confusing!
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It's a scary world so I think kids should know about nasty things. I always though there was a moral behind fairy stories to teach kids lessons about life.
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Firstly a rainbow is now quite a popular symbol for the gay movement so does that mean we now have what amounts to Baa baa gay sheep?
And the trouble with James Bond is that Ian Fleming wrote him as a white man. So really he should stay true to the authors depiction of him. If not how long after a coloured James Bond would we have to wait for a female Jane Bond?
Just as a thought.......any thoughts on a candidate for a female Bond anyone??? Judi Finnigan? Jo Brand? Trisha?
But seriously.....
Kate Beckinsale? Catherine Zeta Jones? Keira Knightly?
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Dawn French.
When I was a child, I had a storybook about a small white child, the son of missionaries living and working in Africa, who made friends with a small black child. The book was called Fuzzy Wuzzy and Pinkie's Adventures. I was given it for good attandance at Sunday School.
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Mum had a book called 'The Adventures of Little Black Sambo'...........
Thank goodness we have all moved on from the time when we found such things acceptable.
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I think we should petition Robertsons to put the golly back on the jam jars. When I was small I ate a lot of jam to collect the tokens and collect my golly badges and ornaments.
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They're different Lou. I'm not sure I'd want one! LOL
And the little Black Sambo picture...was that a TV programme aswell as a book then?
How did people get away with things like that? It's like another world!!!
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i uised to have a Gollywog. i saw a shop last year which actually still sold them - of course, they're just called Gollys now. wjp6662007-06-23 22:14:55
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I tried to post about Little Black Sambo earlier but it wouldn't work - funny that you mentioned it Scarlet! I had the book and it was a favourite of mine - something about his mum making loads of pancakes out of tiger ghee and Little Black Sambo ate more than anybody else after all his adventures. I think he was quite a hero - there wasn't anything nastily racist about it that I recall.
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No I don't believe there was. My mum says that as a child it was one of her favourite books.
Today it would be seen as racist and I wonder if it was or if that is just what todays perception of it would make it?
I still think it is a good thing that as a rule name calling of that sort is recognised as an insult these days and not just accepted as something you say.
It is a small step, but at least it is a forward step.
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I don't think it was racist in the predjudice sense, but it was stereotyping black people and casting them in the 'simple but cute' role. They were also always subserviant so it harks back to slavery.
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Well here is the story, if anyone is interested.
You can apparently still buy it new from Amazon so presumably it can't have been that bad.
goldencup2007-06-24 13:07:19
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