Post by: loulou on November 16, 2006, 03:13:02 pm
Sir Elton John has blasted the religions of the world, claiming followers are encouraged to hate gays.
The veteran singer/songwriter, who married his longtime partner David Furnish in a civil ceremony last December, claims organized religion only works to chastise homosexuality and convince people it's wrong.
He says, "I think religion has always tried to turn hatred towards gay people. Religion promotes the hatred and spite against gays.
"I would ban religion completely. Organized religion doesn't seem to work.
"It turns people into really hateful lemmings and it's not really compassionate."
Post by: kevvosa on November 16, 2006, 03:30:05 pm
Post by: smurfboy on November 16, 2006, 04:32:26 pm
Post by: oldspice on November 16, 2006, 06:31:32 pm
But if you ban religion, wouldn't that make people even more against homosexuality?
I think the best solution is for people to be properly informed and open minded about all things in life.
I have had strong Christian belief in the past but I did not trouble myself worrying about what gays were doing. I was more concerned with poverty and war and things that really matter. If there is a God and he made us all equal then he made homosexuals the way they are, the way he intended them to be - gay.
Post by: Sweetie pie on November 16, 2006, 07:58:41 pm
Controversal this one 
Its easy blaming it all on religion isnt it. I agree with some of what old spice says as a christian i think the act of homosexuality is wrong but i dont go round outcasting people i also think other things are wrong but i dont go round shouting or bullying people i am far from perfect myself. Actually the bible teaches against hate but to love one another you cant sterotype people just because of some small minded individuals. Ahh glad i got that off my chest this is my opinion anyway.
Post by: smurfboy on November 16, 2006, 08:11:11 pm
Controversal this one
That's why I hate Christianity. So-called Christians bang on about love and forgiveness - but only if you're sleeping with who they think you should be sleeping with? It's all a crock.
Post by: oldspice on November 16, 2006, 08:14:53 pm
Post by: Sweetie pie on November 16, 2006, 08:20:26 pm
So it would be ok if i was nazi or something and used it as an excuse to bully gay people ? I am entitled to my beliefs and am getting a bit frustated with people poking fun at christians all the time your entitled to yours i am not here to judge people. This is getting serious dude 
Post by: oldspice on November 16, 2006, 08:25:07 pm
Post by: Sweetie pie on November 16, 2006, 08:29:56 pm
True there is no excuse for bullying someone thanks old spice I just got a bit defensive.
Post by: smurfboy on November 16, 2006, 08:44:21 pm
So it would be ok if i was nazi or something and used it as an excuse to bully gay people ? I am entitled to my beliefs and am getting a bit frustated with people poking fun at christians all the time your entitled to yours i am not here to judge people. This is getting serious dude
Why on earth would being a Nazi be okay?
Yes, you're entitled to your beliefs - it's just my belief that they make you evil.
Post by: Sweetie pie on November 16, 2006, 08:48:56 pm
Ok i was with you until you said my beliefs make me evil ? Why ? 
Post by: smurfboy on November 16, 2006, 08:50:04 pm
How many ways do I have to explain it?
Post by: Sweetie pie on November 16, 2006, 08:57:57 pm
Maybe am i little slow 
Hey i didint say i condem gay people or anyone for that matter i just dont agree with what elton said i dont think you can blame christains and every other religious group for hatered against gay people if that makes me evil alrighty then there are plenty of non-religious biggots out there ! I dont agree with alot of things and a lot of people dont agree with a lot of things i do hey everyone is different. 
Post by: smurfboy on November 16, 2006, 09:01:22 pm
It's not because you didn't agree with Elton - I don't totally agree with him. But you can't deny that you expressed certain beliefs based on your religion, yet at the same time said this bigotry can't be blamed on religion.
If Elton got his wish and religion was banned, there would be a lot of scared people who suddenly had to take responsibility for their own lives.
Post by: Sweetie pie on November 16, 2006, 09:13:18 pm
I think all people have to take responsibility for their actions no matter if they belong to a religious group or not. True i did express a opinion based on my belief i didnt mean to insult or harm anyone with it biggots do try and condem / harm people. There is a difference it doesnt teach that if you dont agree you must condem that person. I also not agree with adultry but i am not going to condem all adultrous out there etc...
Post by: loulou on November 17, 2006, 01:17:00 am
Post by: oldspice on November 17, 2006, 07:06:13 am
Post by: Forth Bridges on November 17, 2006, 11:28:50 am
he said ban it, it full of fairy tales, it forced open you... it grate telly
Post by: smurfboy on November 17, 2006, 12:35:36 pm
Post by: Forth Bridges on November 17, 2006, 08:30:25 pm
plus have yuo seen the film Dogma, I think it explains it self brilleta!
IDEA, a thourgh,
A BELFIE YOU CAN;T CHANGE!
Post by: Sweetie pie on November 17, 2006, 09:01:09 pm
Euh ? In response to above one i confused ?
Post by: Sweetie pie on November 17, 2006, 09:06:23 pm
I think rich people hide behind religion and pretended to be religious when the werent so they could oppress poor people and they oppress poor people today also i feel a lot of human beings beleive in a higher power or good and evil or else whats the point in everything if theres no after life would anything really matter and a quote from ususal suspects _ the greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didnt exist> DEEP
Post by: Forth Bridges on November 17, 2006, 10:42:05 pm
I think rich people hide behind religion and pretended to be religious when the werent so they could oppress poor people and they oppress poor people today also i feel a lot of human beings beleive in a higher power or good and evil or else whats the point in everything if theres no after life would anything really matter and a quote from ususal suspects _ the greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didnt exist> DEEP
He does, it jus tRich people just out smart the poor! let shoot the rich take there money and ENd up going to hell!
Post by: Forth Bridges on November 18, 2006, 02:28:41 pm
will I belive GOds a woman!
plus have yuo seen the film Dogma, I think it explains it self brilleta!
IDEA, a thourgh,
A BELFIE YOU CAN;T CHANGE!
A: gods a woman:
B: have you seen the film called Dogma?
here some links
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dogma_%28film%29
http://www.dogma-movie.com/main.html
main idea is god want idea, NOT belife as yuo can;t change those!