Post by: goldencup on December 08, 2005, 05:47:16 pm
Post by: StrollingMinstrel on December 08, 2005, 07:14:41 pm
About 4 weeks ago there was a very high profile accicident down the road from where I live. 3 boys and 2 girls were killed in a car accident. They were driving a stolen car at 1am in the morning. They ranged from 14 - 17 years old and at least 3 were under ASBOs.They were being followed by the police at the time, largely due to the fact that they had just been reported to have knocked a cyclist off his bike.
It is undoubtably a terrible tragedy for such young people to die and in such an awful way, but it seems that the community that these young people lived in want to hold the police responsible for what happened.
There has been a number of vigils held at the site, which happens to be the garden of some poor family unrelated to the dead. Also floral tributes appeared in mass numbers.
There has been a lot of anger directed at the police, and there have been chants of "Pigs are murderers". The Funerals were very reported in detail in the local press, including a shiney metal coffin for one lad who was the "self proclaimed King of Bling".
As I said I find it terrribley sad and can not imagine much worse than the loss of a child, but feel that somewhere the focus of attention was slightly off. These young people had a choice and sadly took the wrong one and ended up paying the horrific price. I know I have talked to my sons about it in depth and hope thhey will never end up making similar poor choices.
Post by: on December 08, 2005, 08:03:27 pm
I think we should caution against making value judgements about fashion. Wearing left sided pony tails and baseball caps doesn't make them bad people and are as valid a dress code as top hat and tails. They are just culturally different.
I of course agree that these were tragic incidents and feel sad that people should drive like this and waste lives so pointlessly.
Post by: smurfboy on December 08, 2005, 08:08:11 pm
When did Goldencup make a value judgement?
Post by: on December 08, 2005, 08:12:03 pm
She said the theme was disturbing, which to me sounds like a value judgement. A value judgement need not be a bad thing, so there is no need to vicariously jump to her defence.
I like GC so I'm hardly going to slate her.
Post by: smurfboy on December 08, 2005, 08:20:39 pm
there is no need to vicariously jump to her defence.
That doesn't even make sense!
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Post by: oldspice on December 09, 2005, 07:11:36 am
With reference to the 5 young people killed - if they had crashed into another car, survived - but killed 5 other people, who would their families be accusing?
The police had a duty to persue them. If anyone is to blame it's the parents of those kids for failing to bring them up with respect for other people's cars and other people's safety.
I'm sorry, I may sound hard, but I am relieved they killed themselves instead of innocent pedestrians or other motorists.
I feel sorry for th police.
Post by: on December 09, 2005, 07:53:53 am
The parents have to take some of the blame. Unfortunately though, some people are just stupid and irresponsible.
Post by: Forth Bridges on December 09, 2005, 09:49:59 am
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Post by: smurfboy on December 12, 2005, 01:46:24 pm
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Post by: loulou on December 12, 2005, 09:34:09 pm
I went to a themed funeral last week. They insisted everyone wore black. Bizarre really.
That might catch on.
Post by: goldencup on December 13, 2005, 09:25:03 am
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Post by: loulou on December 13, 2005, 04:24:29 pm
Post by: smurfboy on December 13, 2005, 05:15:32 pm
Black is only a British/European thing with funerals. In some cultures it's purple or even white
I remember hearing that; apparently it was purple here for many years too.
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